26 OctEpisode 88 | BONUS EPISODE Q and A! 10/22/2020
In this episode, Annie answers questions about attending the Karen Pryor Academy. She suggests how you can deal with someone who seems to be needlessly yelling at their dog. A listener asks about Temple Grandin's use of e-collars and prey drive, and also asks about training using the beeping and vibrating function of a shock collar. Also: Can you train a dog to not pee near a water source? And can you pay the neighbor's kid to train your dog? Sign up for Annie's next Q and A at schoolforthedogs.com/qanda
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Annie:
Hey everyone. This is a bonus Q and A episode. I try and answer questions live every Thursday. You can sign up to come to my free live Q and A at schoolforthedogs.com/qanda, you will see the next one I'm doing. I then am trying to take recordings of those Q and A's and post them here to the podcast feed. If you have a question, you can email me directly Annie@schoolforthedogs.com. You can also go to anchor.fm/dogs and record your question there. Thanks for being here.
Hello. Can you hear me? If you're here, please tell me if you can hear me this. Can you hear me? And hello, Kathy. Hello, Yolanda, Kathy. Where are you joining us from? Oh, great. You can hear me. Yolanda sent me thank you so much for the super sweet email you sent me Yolanta. Actually it was so sweet. Could I read it? Would you mind if I read it? Let me know.
And I should tell you Yolanta. I just heard from — so I took Amos, my dog to Blue Pearl yesterday, an animal hospital in New York City. And they did a needle biopsy of this mass that he has on his liver and it came out that it doesn't look like it's cancer. So, I mean I figured the chances of it not being cancer were like tiny. I was really not prepared for that good news. So I'm thrilled.
I mean, they said his heart’s a little big, like he clearly is an old dog with the beginnings of some issues. But it's possible he just had this really big mass on his liver for a long time. So overall just feeling quite glad about that. And my computer, which I spilled water on this time last week is working. I don't want to jinx life, but the two terrible things that happened last Thursday are now a lot less terrible than they were. And I spent a lot of time over the last week, just like mourning him, even though he's not gone yet. Just really had a lot of emotions, thoughts, feelings about life, death, time, et cetera. I've been a little emotional.
And I am having a doctor who does acupuncture and like Chinese herbs stuff come, actually later today, see if maybe we can get his appetite going. And yeah, I feel also just so grateful to my two friends who are vets who have just gone above and beyond to help me through this scary week. Dr. Andrea Tu who's with Behavior Vets, they used to rent space from us. They used to operate kind of outside of our studio for a long time. There are very few behavior vets in the country and she is, she and Dr. Christiansen are just such spectacular people.
And Dr. Tu actually offered to come sit with me yesterday at Blue Pearl for a few hours while, I mean, it was like, it was more than a few hours. It was like four hours, while we were waiting for Amos to get his tests. And I was just, the fact that she was a vet was just like a huge bonus because she could walk me through everything. It was all over the phone because of COVID. I never even saw the doctor face-to-face. So being able to be with my friend there who's a vet, who could tell me in plain English, like what was going on with the vet who I wasn't face-to-face with was talking about just meant a lot.
And Dr. Lisa who is a remote house call vet. Actually both of them, I've interviewed both of them on the podcast before. Dr. Lisa has been just such a great resource, also kind of helping to figure out where he should go, what to do, all of it. So I'm blessed to have these, like a concierge bespoke veterinary experience.
But all right, so I have a couple of questions here, but Yolanda. I wanted to read the super sweet email that Yolanta sent me about losing her dog. And, you know, I hate talking about dogs dying. It's like my least favorite thing. I hate seeing movies where dogs die. So It's hard to even talk about this stuff, But it's part of the whole thing about having a dog. Isn't it.
So Yolanda wrote me the other day:
My thoughts are with you and Amos. I want to share my story with you because the hardest day is yet to come and I myself wasn't emotionally prepared for it. Bundy was my first dog, a Yorkshire terrier that came into my life when he was already two years old, I was in seventh grade and didn't know anything about raising a dog, but I really believe he had the best life. He lived until 19 years old. He was with me for over half of my life and was by my side through high school, college job layoff, major breakup and the beginning of grad school.
He had puppy energy until you was about 12 — Amos to he's really, Amos's only slowed down recently– After 12, he mellowed out, but remained in good health until his last year. He started having bad days, but he was having good days too. So my parents and I did our best to care for him and keep him comfortable. I was set to go to grad school abroad and I cried hysterically when leaving, because I was scared as health would turn for the worst. In my absence, I called my parents on Skype all of the time, just to talk to Bundy so he could hear my voice.
I came home for Christmas and saw that he was indeed worse. And when I had to go back to school, I bawled my eyes out while hugging him for what felt like hours, because I didn't know if he would make it to the summer. I went to China in the spring for study abroad. And soon after I arrived, I had a nightmare that he passed away. I called my parents and they broke the news that he was gone.
It was surreal because it was as though our spirits, mine and Bundy's, were somehow connected. And I was immediately sensitive to his absence. I struggled for a good three weeks because I was so far from home and alone. I didn't know how heartbroken my parents were too until I came home during the summer. They had buried him for me and planted flowers in his memory.
To this day I love Bundy so much and still cry when I think about him. When I graduated and came back to New York City, I had to get Cody in order to truly overcome my grief. My advice is to hug and kiss Amos, to celebrate the days he feels well by doing your favorite, memorable things together and surround yourself with your support network. Every pet owner goes through what you're going through, so you're not alone. I don't know if it's really possible to emotionally prepare. So I would just cherish every day you have with him, and please get a second medical opinion just in case.
Thank you. Big, big hugs, Yolanta. It was so sweet. Actually. It made me think of a passage. I don't know if I can find it while I'm here, right this second. But Darwin, there's a letter that Darwin sister wrote him about his dog dying that made me think of this. Let me see if I can find this. Wait, I'm getting distracted, anyway. I'm here to answer questions, not to Google letters to Darwin about dogs dying, but somewhere I'll find it at some point there. He was a big dog lover.
I feel like — Yes, you're right. Like you need a support system. And you know, in the last week as you know, I just got this good news, by the way, like 30 minutes ago. The last week then I was thinking a lot about my feelings and I did realize what I can add, like I can ask Kate if I have to change his diet. Kate can help me figure out what I need to feed him. If I can't deal emotionally with bringing him into chemo or anything like that, I can ask Jason to do that.
Like, it occurred to me like, Oh, I don't have to do this all by myself. Because part of what was stressing me out was like, I want to be there for him and give him the best possible care. But I also have a toddler and my own business, and there's only one of me and like the stress of like, how am I going to care for him in the best possible way? On top of the sadness. Anyway, so yes, good to have a support network.
Alright. Questions.
I promised Supriya who has written me questions before, I promised her that I would answer at least one of the questions. She emailed me like a batch. And I think I told her if I couldn't do them all, I would at least do one a week. So I'm just going to do them in the order that they came in.
So her first question is: In Animals in Tanslation by Temple Grandin, she says that one of the very few instances she thinks using an E-collar is useful is when training dogs to stop a prey drive. I'm lucky enough that even when my dog chases everything from squirrels to deer, he always comes back, but I don't want to wait for my luck to run out. What do you think of Temple Grandin's advice?
Great question. Animals in Translation is a book I read right around when I started, I think, the Karen Pryor Academy 10 and half years ago and Temple Grandin is — if you've never heard of Temple Grandin, actually, there's a wonderful a biopic about her starring Claire Danes that anyone who is interested in animals definitely should watch.
She is autistic and I believe has spent her career very successfully helping — I think her main thing has been helping design slaughterhouses to be as humane as possible. But the truth is I really don't know that much about using E-collars to stop a prey drive. You know, I think that — Oh, hi, Vicky's here. Hi mom. Vicky is my mom.
I don't know a lot about using an e-collar to stop prey drive. I think that I, you know, if this was a client asking, should I use an e-collar to stop prey drive? I would say, I think the best thing to do would be to start out with a whistle recall which, you know, basically is you blow a whistle and drop food at your feet and make that just like a super reliable cue that every time you blow that whistle, you know, delicious stuff happens right near you. And it's really an easy thing to teach because you're not asking anything of your dog. You're just creating that association. I believe I did do a podcast on teaching a recall in this way, a podcast episode.
I would say do that first. However, you're competing with prey drive, which can be a lot stronger than whatever it is you could possibly offer your dog to associate with the whistle. And like I said, I don't know how e-collar work that's done with dogs, for instance, like rattlesnakes, keeping dogs away from rattlesnakes. I'm not quite sure how that kind of training is done. Because the important thing is to make sure that the dog isn't making the wrong association.
However, there are plenty of dogs in this world, like a lot of gun dogs, for instance, who are trained using electric collars. And if they have good trainers, the collars shouldn't be used over and over again, they should be used effective putting an electric collar on them. There are plenty of very happy dogs who have been trained with electric collars. You know, dogs are certainly very resilient.
There are a lot of reasons why I would caution anyone from going that route, but that said, there are dogs who I think have been trained well using electric collars. Could they have also been trained without the electric collars using positive reinforcement? Yes, probably. Probably in most cases, but feel that they are able to use E collars humanely in training. Maybe I can find a trainer who's in that sector who could talk to me about it because I'd like to learn more.
All right. Actually, I'm going to take one more Supriya question. Okay. Second Question from Supriya: speaking of e-collars several models have three modes – a beep or a tone, a vibration and a shock. I've considered using something like this, just for the tone, as a way to teach my dog to come back to me when he's across the park. I don't like having to yell “come” from all the way across the park. I also can't whistle unfortunately. Maybe I could teach my dog to associate the command “come” when he already does very well with the tone from an E collar. Thoughts?
Yes. I think that's a great idea. And actually, there's, there's at least one collar out there that's just a vibrating color. I can see if I can send you a link to it, Supriya. I know we have one at the studio but yeah, you could totally do that. I think that's like a really cool thing to do.
I've never done that myself, but you could teach the dog that like, one vibration means come back to mom. You could also teach the dog one vibration means go right. And two vibrations means go left. Or a vibration and a tone means come to me, and a vibration and a vibration means, you know, meet me at the door of the dog park. I mean, you could develop a whole language that way, and that certainly would be kind of a cool thing. A cool thing to experiment with.
So yes. Do it, tell me how it goes. I think people who work with herding dogs have to be able to teach them to go this way or that way. And I wonder if they're doing something similar using these kinds of collars, using the vibration or the tone. Again, something I need to learn more about.
I know that like there are hand signals that can be given from far away. But yeah, I mean, I'm endlessly interested in how technology can make us more creative in the ways that we can communicate with our dogs and do things with our dogs. I think it's super cool.
I mean, there's a lot of out there that I think is unnecessary. Oh my God. I've seen like beds that record your dog's weight every day, so you can check changes. Or, Oh my God, a few years ago one of our dog students was in an ad for a company that was creating this device that hooked onto the dog's tail and counted the wags and the direction of wags, so that you could like monitor your dog's happiness level.
Anyway, there's a lot of ridiculous gadgets out there. But there's also a lot of things out there that I think can be kind of hacked to help us train dogs in pretty cool ways.
I'm just going to power through and do all of Supriya’s questions because I feel like I'm on a roll now. So Supriya’s third question. This is the Supriya Q and A episode:
Do you have any advice on how to talk to other dog owners about their poor behavior? I once saw a couple yell at their dog and proceed to ignore her. Fortunately, there was no physical violence, after their dog refused to retrieve a toy from the river. From what I could see the dog simply didn't understand what she was supposed to do. Although I thought about giving them some advice in the end, I didn't say anything. I can't help, but wonder what would Annie do?
Oh, wow. Really great question. So yeah, I try and bite my tongue on all things relating to dog behavior, unless I am somewhere people signed up to talk to me, like you guys here right now. Or, you know, if I'm at School for the Dogs, with my treat pouch on, in which case I tend to feel I can be more vocal because, you know, people are in my place.
It's funny, the other day actually, someone was saying that their puppy was nipping. And she was like, So when the puppy nips — I was standing at the desk, she was talking to Adam, one of our trainers. And she was like, when my puppy nips, I just gently like bang his nose with my fingers and say, ouch.
And I was like, Oh, you shouldn't do that. Afterwards, Adam was like, I couldn't believe how ballsy you were to just say that, that way. I always like, feel like I have to tiptoe around these things. I was like, yeah, but you know, I'm the owner of this business and it's a business about dog training and you're asking about dog training in my house basically. But it's hard. Cause when you're at the dog park, I see things all the time that I want to talk to people about, but nobody's there to hear what Annie Grossman has to say.
So to go more specifically back to what I would have done in this situation. I mean, I think I would probably try and get the couple to see something that they like about the dog. I always say — Like, we get so focused on like a dog needs to sit and sometimes like, you know, like on the street, you always see people trying to get a dog to sit.
Like I see this was my daughter all the time. Cause sometimes we have dog treats on us, cause she likes to go up to see dogs whenever possible on the streets. So sometimes I have dog treats on me and I give one to her and I'll say to the person, can my daughter give your dog a treat? Because it's an appropriate way for her to interact with the dog.
And the person will be like, you know, Bailey sit, Bailey sit. And I just want to be like, just let the kid give the dog a treat. Like the dog is doing the behavior of allowing a kid to be in front of him that, you know, he's never seen her. Just be like, Bailey be cute, good job! It’s about finding some like much lower level behavior that you can that you can reward.
So in a similar way, I think I would say to these people like, Oh my God, what a beautiful dog, you know, look at that coat. Or like, what a great swimmer, did you guys teach her that? Like, which of course they probably didn't teach her to swim, but do something to try and get them to see something she is doing well. And maybe that will help them even take pride in her being able to do something well.
Something else that I've encountered in this kind of situation is where people will say, she really knows it. She's just not doing it right now. She's being stubborn. And I feel like there's part of me in the situation where you're describing where I want to say, do you really know that she knows how to do this thing that you're asking her to do? Is she really refusing or does she not know how to retrieve the toy?
And so I've also said, under School for the Dog's roof, I've said to people, which can be awkward, like, Oh, how do you know that she knows that? How do you know that she's refusing? Maybe she just never learned, how do you know that he's being stubborn? Maybe he doesn't know what you want them to do, or maybe he doesn't feel well.
So “how do you know” is kind of like my go-to, another go-to thing I would have in that situation. But it can be confrontational. So it depends if you're standing inside School for the Dogs and you're next to me, maybe it'll feel less confrontational.
Supriya's last question: I take my dog camping and backpacking quite a lot. One of the general rules is to pee or poop at least 200 feet from a water source, at least for humans, and maybe for dogs to, can I teach my dog not to or poop near a water source?
I mean, okay. First of all, not to roll my eyes at these rules, like, I'm sure they're there and they should be there, but aren't there lots of animals peeing and pooping near the water source? Like maybe humans aren't supposed to do it, but how many other animals are doing it? Like that's where my mind goes. But of course it's not about having an argument about the rules. I'm just saying.
Anyway. I don't know how I would teach a dog to not pee or poop in a certain vicinity, but what you could do is train your dog to go on a wee wee pad or train your dog to go on cue. I mean, a wee wee pad is a kind of visual cue, but the cue could be a word or whatever. And give that cue or put down that wee wee pad before you enter the 200 foot area away from the water source. And reward, make it kind of a ritual that your dog gets rewarded for going in that spot. I think that's probably my best suggestion.
I'm curious if the rules apply to dogs too. 200 feet from a water source, you can't pee or poop. I mean, what about the fish? The fish are peeing and pooping! All right, got through all of Supriya’s questions.
And I did have one other question come in. Yolanta says:
I have been working on desensitizing Cody to children. My neighbor's kid is typically loud and waves things in the air and runs around his yard to which Cody reacts by jumping on the fence and barking. So I keep him inside. Cody regularly plays with the dog and met the dog kid last week and very suddenly lunged on leash when this kid started moving his arms. I don't know how to train better when his negative association continues to be reinforced by my neighbor's kid who is here only every other weekend. My neighbor tries telling his kid to act differently around Cody, but he doesn't listen.
How old is the kid Yolanda? How old is the kid, because I would loop in the kid to do some training. Make it a fun thing. You could make it like you have a job for the kid. Kids can be very good — Yolanda said it’s 9 or 10. Okay. So say, Hey, I need help every other weekend training my dog to help me for an hour. Or maybe $15. That's minimum wage in New York City. We have to pay our children fairly!
See if you can set up some situations where the kid can be at a distance that you think Cody can handle. It doesn't have to be in the actual situation. Find like a field or something. Keep Cody on leash and just work on desensitization with the kid. It's also gonna it's also going to make the kid more aware of Cody, and kids pick up on this stuff really quickly in my experience.
So you know, you might find that you turn the kid into a little mini dog trainer. And if you can get close enough, have the kid deliver some of the treats, toss the treats onto the ground. Anyway, let me know how that goes. I think that could be a fun thing for both Cody and the kid.
A question came in from Yasmeen who lives in Chicago and listened to the podcast. Yasmeen said:
Hi, I was accepted into the Karen Pryor Academy Dog Trainer Professional program yesterday — Congratulations, Yasmeen — I'm excited and nervous to start the program in December. Since I don't currently have my own dog, I will be borrowing a friend's Aussie. Could you talk a bit about your experience through the program? Things like amount of hours a week, workshops, instructor, working with a borrowed dog. Thank you.
Gosh. Yeah, I mean, it's been 10 years. Actually, last week I think was my tenure anniversary of graduating. I think the program has probably changed a lot since then. I haven't gone through their most recent curriculum, but I can tell you my general thoughts and feelings and what I remember.
I really went into the Karen Pryor Academy knowing pretty much nothing. And I think that's kind of unusual. Cause I think especially now as more and more people have done it and it's getting more and more of a fine reputation, there are a lot of people who go into KPA for their professional program after impressive careers as dog trainers. And do it to get that certification and just to really dig in. The program for me really set me on the path of understanding how to approach dog training. It really gave me the basics, and it pointed me in the right direction, I guess that's how I think about it.
I think I probably spent maybe 8 to 10 hours a week. I found the reading portion of it to be pretty easy. Again, I don't know how it is now, but it was basically kind of like a PowerPoint presentation that we went through. So it wasn't very like reading intensive wasn't very writing intensive. There were exercises to do with the dog and that stuff, you could spend as much time as you want, because like you could endlessly perfect a behavior. Shaping is like a never-ending process.
And then there are weekend workshops every six weeks. I did a workshop with Steve Benjamin who is in Endicott, New York. I think he does Karen Pryor Academy sessions all over the country now. He had like a basement facility, and there were actually only two other people in the class with me. I think it started out there were five of us. And interestingly, I was the only American out of the five. There was, I think, one person from Japan, one from Israel, one from Finland living in Canada, and one from Canada and me. And in the end, it was just the two Canadian women and me and, you know, so we got a lot of like attention and time.
A few cohorts after me, my good friend Ilana went through KPA also with Steve, and her class had like 10 in it. Which was hard for me to imagine because, you know, three felt like just right for me, because I liked getting to know the other people. I liked getting the attention from Steve. And it was just really amazing to watch, to watch him train.
Like I remember like just little things he would do that would just — like one time I remember he put down a plate and he started giving the dog treats on a plate to focus the dog on one spot. Because it makes such a difference often where you're delivering your rewards. Like, they say like, you click for behavior, you treat for placement. And saving the dog time so that he doesn't have to go looking for the treat, putting it on this one spot, so he knows exactly where to go. It was such a simple thing to see Steve do this, and yet it was like, Oh, okay. That's pretty brilliant.
But you know, what I didn't get from KPA. There was like a business section, but I don't really feel like I graduated and felt like, Oh, I know how to run a dog training business and I know how to teach. I mean, I left, and again, I went in knowing nothing, and I came out knowing a lot, but I don't think I really knew how to teach. Like that frankly took a few years of just doing it to figure out how to communicate everything I had learned to people in a way that made sense to me, and I hope makes sense to my clients. And certainly it's taken a while to figure out how to parlay the whole thing into you know, a sustainable business.
I hope I've answered this question in some kind of roundabout way. I'm sure that there's many different Karen Pryor experiences out there as there have been Karen Pryor Academy students. And it was a wonderful thing that I did. Like I said, I feel like I needed to go to the school of hard knocks to actually learn how to teach. And also, I don't know if this has changed, it really doesn't touch on reactivity and like some of the larger, like separation anxiety, issues. But you know what — sorry, I have so many thoughts.
Let me back up right after I finished Karen Pryor Academy, I went to the Association for Professional Dog Trainers Annual Conference, which that year was in Atlanta. And that just blew my mind open. I think, going from KPA, which sees things in a very specific way, which I'm totally on board with. But going from an experience where it was mostly remote except for these four weekend sessions where I would see these two other women and Steve.
Going from that to this convention center with thousands of dog trainers, doing all kinds of different things from all different kinds of places. They have like an expo in addition to the panels and the lectures. They a trade show with all different kinds of products, and I had a real epiphany moment going to that. And I would suggest that, I think it's definitely a good thing for anyone to go to. I mean, if we can go to conventions again, who knows. But I would definitely suggest diving into just all different kinds of resources.
But if I hadn't done KPA, I would not have even known about Temple Grandin. Even if I wasn't reading that for the course, it just set me on the path of like, even learning. I wouldn't have known what the Association for Professional Dog Trainers was if I hadn't gone to KPA. Half the books on my dog training bookshelf, I probably bought because Steve recommended them during the program. Again, it's not a very text-heavy program, and I really was hungry to learn, more of the science and the history when I got out of KPA. That's sort of when I became obsessed with BF Skinner. Anyway, that's a roundabout, long I hope answer to a question.
All right. One last question I have here that I had set aside. Billy writes to me:
I am an older person with some limited mobility issues. I use a cane and am possibly transitioning to a walker very soon. I have an adorable male Japanese chin who is energetic and the joy of my life. I use a cane because of balance issues and I fall. My little guy gets a brisk walk three mornings a week with a friend. I walk him the rest of the time. We generally go between half and three quarters of a mile. He pulls but stops with a no pulling and a tug — Okay.
He seems to keep me upright with a bit of tension on the leash, so I don't use a cane when I'm walking him. I normally don't fall or trip when I'm out with him, but it has happened on occasion. I am thinking of getting a walker, which I think will give me more stability and wonder if you know of some techniques or hints about the safest way to walk a dog by a small woman that is safe. Can I attach the leash to a walker? Walking with a cane doesn't feel like a safe option for either of us.
Wow. Okay. Interesting question. And it sounds to me like a really good idea to use a walker. Like relying on the weight of a Japanese chin pulling against you on a leash to keep you upright seems like, I don't know, just less of a good idea to me than a walker. It's interesting cause you say like the tension on the leash is helpful, but then, you're also saying that he's pulling and you tug him.
So it sounds like there's a lot of back and forth on the leash that's going on. I mean, it's complicated, cause like you're saying, you want him to pull because that helps to keep you up, but then he's pulling and you are trying to keep him from pulling. So, you know, it's possible that the pulling isn't actually a problem. So if he ends up pulling on your walker, I mean maybe that's actually no big deal? But, you could certainly, if you want to work on keeping him from pulling and you also want to use a walker, I very much think you could work on doing those two things at the same time.
This is something where I would say it probably would be helpful to work with a professional trainer, just to sort of like set up how you're going to do it, but I can explain how I would approach it. I would start somewhere where your dog is pretty comfortable and not used to pulling, like maybe in your living room somewhere. I would start even without your dog on a leash. Then I would teach your dog to stand next to you on, let's say a yoga mat. And with you having the walker next to you. And start just moving around the room just a little bit, you holding the walker.
You have mobility issues, I don't know if you could bend down to give your dog a treat, but what you could do is put peanut butter on a spoon if you can't bend, and bend down and give that to him, like kind of near your leg, or wherever it is you really want him to be when you're outside. You know, you could even put it on the walker at least for training while you're doing this, and let him lick the peanut butter or whatever off of the walker.
But the idea is I want you to start moving around — You don't even have to use a yoga mat. What could be nice about something like a mat or like a dish towel is that it can help him understand exactly where you want him to be. But he can just learn where you want him to be in relation to you and the walker.
So that's my suggestion. Start off without using a leash, you with a walker, walking around your living room, and every one step let him lick some peanut butter off of your walker, or bend down, give him a treat, or with peanut butter on a stick, that kind of thing. And what you're going to be doing is teaching him exactly where you want him to be while you're walking so that you can then put the leash on the walker and attach it to him.
But by doing it this way, you're adding in the leash after he's already learned where to be. So you're not like building his pulling into the behavior. Ideally, I don't want him to start pulling on the leash with a Walker at all. I want him to not even feel like that's like something that you do when you're walking with Billy near her walker. Assuming, like I said, assuming pulling is a bad thing that you don't want. I am a little confused by the way you phrased it.
You could also, just to make it again a totally new experience, I would maybe get a different kind of harness, like a front clip harness is a really good choice when you're trying to discourage pulling. We have the Two Hounds Freedom Harness that we recommend all the time. Or Ruffwear makes the Front Range Harness, which has a front clip, also good. But I would suggest getting some kind of new attachment for him so that you're sort of like starting off on a fresh foot, as it were. So you're not putting on something that he's already used to wearing while pulling, if that makes sense. So get like a leash that attaches in a new place while you're working on this.
And Billy, if you'd like to reach out, we could totally help you with this in a virtual session. And for a limited time, if you get our Good Dog Training course, which is at schoolforthedogs.com/courses, we are doing a 30 minute virtual session along with that purchase.
All right. Thank you folks for being here. And I just posted last week's Q and A to the podcast. I will post this one here as soon as I can. Tomorrow's episode, I'm really excited about — should I tell you who I interviewed, or should I let you guess? I'll give you a hint. I interviewed a presidential candidate for the podcast for real, and it's sort of about dog training, kind of. I'll leave it at that. But definitely check it out tomorrow. I'm just in the process of editing it and pretty excited. I think it's going to be a pretty great episode. All right. Thanks folks. Hope to see you next week. Bye.
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